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in germany's christmas murder attack. the shoot out that ended in a global manhunt and how he slips through the crack until it is too late. scare in the air, hijacked by attackers claiming to be armed with grenades. how tense moment on the tarmac ended with everyone getting on the jet safely. breaking news right now at the united nation. a security count on a resolution demanding to an end to israeli settlement in the west bank. a lot of stuff, there is a new question for world leaders today. this morning, president-elect trump doubled down on this tweet, thursday, the united states must greatly strengthen and expand their capabilities until such time as the worldcom to i worldcom -- world comes to its
censuses. >> the president-elect told you what? >> let it be an arm's race. we'll out match them in every pass. >> and out last them all. >> vladimir putin took a question at his annual press conference this morning. when someone accelerates and speeds up the arm's race, it is not us. >> joining me now is nbc's kelly o'donell and katy tur. kelly, you are in florida and mr. trump is spending the day playing golf with dwootiger woo. how is this leading the republicans in trump's team. >> reporter: one of the questions is how seriously or literally should donald trump's tweets be taken? is he trying to set policy through twitter? is he trying to preempt president obama of his final
days by showing a change of force for u.s. policy? >> these are open questions and it is coming to holiday times when members of congress are all comiing home to their families. there is not official washington is standing up and react to what donald trump is doing. you have foreign policy experts who are outside of government and those specialty in government and court concerns of what trump can do and could shake things up a little bit. as president-elect trump, and the world views and what he tweets differently. we have seen his squirmishes with china when it comes to what happens with the under water navy drone that was taken with the phone call with taiwan's president and a willingness to throw his illelbows around and when you talk about possibility of expanding the arsenal of u.s.
nuclear weapons when the whole foreign policy, the whole direction of u.s. leadership and the world was to try to limit the proliferation of these weapons and to make certain, the great fear is could those kinds of weapons getting in the hands of not state actors but complicated enough. that's one of the great reasons why over the last several years and in the wake of this terror age that we have been living since 9/11, there is such concerns of access to nuclear weapons. donald trump is talking about modern siizing the u.s. -- >> that's a very specific thing, kelly. it is a good point that you made because that's specific. the agreements between the u.s. and russia inherited from the u.s. is specific to maintain and modernize and not add to. kellyanne conway, one second,
katy tur, you sort of get it and you have the intimate relationship with the way that trump campaign can work and what it can mean and how everybody goes into over drive after donald trump says something they did not think he's going to say. sean spicer just minutes after president-elect trump made those comments. lets listen. >> we are not going to sit back as a country and allow other countries to expand their capabilities. this president is going to take action. it is a warning to them that this president is going to take action. >> sean spicer, in coming white house, press secretary. what's the warning about this? >> kelly just said -- >> who is he talking about? >> is he talking about russia or china or north korea or france? it is unclear who he's talking about. he has 140 characters. you don't change policies in 140 characters especially when it comes to nuclear policies because there are so many ins
and outs. this sort of thing that you tend to think about and present in a k cohesi cohesive. >> donald trump does not do that. he's non-traditional. was there a lot of thoughts behind this. i was speaking to somebody a little earlier. maybe it is something that he heard an intelligence briefing and he was reacting to on the fly. we don't know what was in the intelligence briefing clearly because those are classified briefings and donald trump did not say what specifically he was referring to. we assume russia because russia had been talking about this the day before and talking about nuclear operations and capabilities were modernized and making sure they are up to speed and bringing them current to 2016, almost 2017. there is a whiplash here. donald trump has been generous to russia up until now and the idea that he was going to be in
arm's race and his aids clearly are trying to walk that back and calm it down and kellyanne conway on rachel maddow last night everyone is getting ahead of themselves. it showsou that donald trump is telling lewandowski, lets get an arm's race. his aids are forced in a moment to turn on a dime to decide what suddenly, they need to defend and promote. >> katie and tekelly, it has be a long time. both of you thank you. lets bring in our president of an organization focused on reducing nuclear weapons worldwide. joe, i need to get your reaction. i want to begin with the numbers of your group cited in the usa today, russia has more than 373 nuclear weapons and the united states has just below 7,000. no other country has more than
300. what do you make of what you heard? >> well, the u.s. and russia of the two nuclear super power, we own 95% of the arsona --s is ars in the world. it is a message to other countries to start their engines. china is watching us closely. they have about 250. they're going to start building more and india and pakistan, they're going to start building more. that's why this is so disturbing. >> let me ask, is this about modernizing or strengthening? nobody really knows. what would you instinctively think and knowing as much of this. we are going to keep a robust
de detorrent. he used the word "expand" which means "more." and then he says nod let there be an arm's race, that's why people are worried about it. it is okay to use twitter to make fun of "saturday night live" or hollywood stars but you should not screw around and nuclear policies. this is a man in 30 days that's going to have the control and authorities to launch nuclear weapons and not just tweets. >> let me ask you this, we talked about the u.s. and russia and thousands of war heads on either sides. even when the u.s. when russia went into -- yukraine, we did nt think it will escalate to that level. we were so obsessed with iran for a while which does not have the nuclear weapon.
north korea has nuclear capabilities. >> maybe ten. >> i think your more important point is that it is not that we are going to war with rush whsi. we may open up the possibility to others that hey, we want some. >> one, this kind of rhetoric can escalate. this is how arm's race can start. a war of words. two, you worry about the global reactions and a signal to other country that they should increase and build more nuclear weapons and three, you worry that in the course of this, you are creating news supply of weapons that trorists can get their hands on. all of this are considerations that donald trump should have had. we don't know if he thought about this. >> i want to ask one quick question of what kellyanne conway says. a worry that we had today than 30 years ago is the idea of nuclear weapons in non-state
hands. is that an issue? >> here is the good news. because the policies of republicans and democrats are followed, we reduce nuclear weapons by 80% in the world in the last 30 years. when you talk about rogue states and you hear about all these threats out there, there is only one, north korea. we just contained iran's program and we froze that to 15 years so you are down to one. maybe donald trump can strike a deal with kim jong-un, that could be a deal that we'll put in the history book to cut those nuclear weapons. lets hope he uses it and uses it early. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> lets go to pennsylvania, our bob casey. senator casey, welcome to the show, i got to get it from you. >> thanks ali.
>> i was surprised because many people are in both parties. if there is one subject that you should not tweet about cavalierly or even in terms of a short message, it is nuclear capability anlilities and weapo. we have to be deliberate and smart and prepare. and not only to protect the country but to do it in a way to use some discretion before you comment on this. it is alarming. >> what are you and your colleagues -- president-elect trump is not president yet. this is definitely a place where the cooler heads in the senate on a bipartisan level probably need to make some phone calls or get together and talk to each other and say what are we doing about this? >> well, i think as the new administration comes in, we may have to have that kind of
collaboration. >> al, you know that just six years ago, we passed a new start treaty which got 71 votes in the united states senate. it is a 7-year implementation. the united states are going to have a lot and a lot of war heads and a little more than 1500. that's awfully a lot of nuclear weapons. if he's talking about maintaining the investments and making our system, that's one thing. our country is going to spend something on the order of 350, almost $350 billion, and that's with a "b" over our ten years nuclear enterprise, we are investing a lot and focused on modernizing and being vigilant prepared. >> what do you make of the letter exchange and holiday greetings and the warm relationship of vladimir putin and donald trump and rex
tillerson of the next secretary of state probably with his great relationships with russia, was your instinct that when donald trump was talking about an arm's race, he's talking about russia? >> i am not quite sure. i don't know him to be able to get a sense of his thinking. i only see what's on television with regard to things he said by way of twitter. vladimir putin is no friend to the united states. i would hope that president-elect trump and ultimately president trump would focus on checking on vladimir putin and keeping him contained as opposed feeding to a narrative that vladimir putin is along bashar al-assad and the regime in charge in places like syria. we got to be checking him and even as we are working him when it comes to trying to defeat isis. even that, he's got a very mixed record on.
i would hope that the approach would be adversarial and one where we don't have any illusions and they are not consistent with our national interests. senator, your colleagues in the senate and both sides of the isles are going to have busy times ahead. thank you for joining us senator bob casey. >> thank you, ali. breaking news, agency releases a video reportedly showing the german christmas market attacker, pledging allegiance to isis. the comes hours after the suspect was killed in a shoot out in italy. we are learning more today about am amri's movement while he was inside europe. later this hour, how president-elect trump's tweets are sending shock waves around the world on everything from nuclear weapons to the palestinian-israeli questions. stay with us. hello, we want to wish our
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we are following breaking news out of italy of the suspect of the truck attack was shot and killed by police. anis amri was a subject of a massive europe wide manhunt since authorities named him as a suspect on wednesday. isis released a video which a man says it is amri. he does not identify himself as amri. he does not say his name or reference the attack in berlin. today, many are wondering how amri was able to make it to 600
miles away to milan italy. we have matt bradley following the latest with berlin. clau claudio, what do you know of how this all played out this morning? >> it was 3:00 in the morning and it was a quiet neighborhoods, just a few miles and from the city center and two young policeman patrolling the area. the suspect was just walking around and kind of weird. of that time, the early hours in the morning. they went out in the car and offered his id. th he pulled out a.22 caliber and shot one of policemen in the shoulder and the other one was prompt enough to fire back and shot him dead. later, they found out this was anis amri of the man carried out the attack in the berlin market.
now, they're trying to find out why he end up in italy and it is a small town where he can just stay in italy or milan. was he hoping to find someone who perhaps helping him? we are trying to find out an answer to that. >> to be clear, you travel these distances, it may be 600 miles but they are notrd bo border ch. >> it depends. that's exactly what he's done. that's close to the italian border and he crosses into the northern city there and he took another train and went to milan and from milan he took another
train and ended up -- if you want, you don't have to go to border checks. just get a train unless you have police on board and the government asking you for documentation for id. you can freely cross from one to the another. >> matt in berlin, what are you hearing from folks there about the news of amri's death. >> reporter: despite all the tragedies that's happening this week. christmas in full effect behind me of the scene of the massacre of last week. things are a little intense. the chancellor merkel came out today. she's been assailed by the critics and mostly on the right who says her open door door policy, she allowed a million refugees over the course of the last year and a half, the policy states opening the door to them
and now critics are turning their heel and they are using the capture of islamic to beat with her. so many people from the netherlands and france and britain, all have been tweeting that all of this goes to show as claudio just mentioned that it is so easy for a fugitive to cross the border. it needs to be revised and evaluated. the politics here are really what's important and we have not seen the other foot drop. >> matt and claudio. thank you. for more, i want to bring in our analyst, executive editor of defense. we have been talking to the cabinet people for the last few
days of the fact that people are under surveillance whether in germany or america, does not mean that there is police presence watching this person 24/7. >> right, as you heard them say you can hop on a train or on board and you can lewd conductors. it does highlight the real difference of the security concerns in europe verses america. this all gets down to how much border security is needed and how much in the region and how much security needs to be focused on the local population that are home born and verses one that comes from outside the country verses the refugee crisis population. there is a lot of con exfoliaal. it was about our border control and the focus on syrians a/musl
refugees. you cannot come to the united states like this guy did who went three different countries to europe. >> i want to ask you, isis released a video where a ma man -- he pledged allegiance to ai isis. what's your take? >> is this authentic. >> it comes from a lot of intelligence watch groups. it does not matter whether he recorded beforehand or not. all we know is that it links to isis and links to the movement. there were plenty of other evidence that this guy had a long history of either trying to or carrying out attacks in europe. it provides a little more evidence and link him to other network on the continent. it is not a major point for me to worry about. i am interested in of what's going to be the outcome that are here and being float about. >> kevin goodo see you, thank
you very much for joining us. breaking news right now, the united nation voted moments ago to approve a resolution demanding an end to israeli settlement of the west bank after a one day delay. the united states did on stabta from this vote. it did not veto it. president-elect trump has urged the obama administration to veto the resolution and it is coming under fire from both republicans and democrats. lets bring in our msnbc's senior editor, cal perry. this just took place, walk us through the vote that just happened and the ramp up over the last few days. the vote just happened, 14 yes votes. the resolution is adopted booy e united nation. the occupied west bank will stop and that means to halt and
relocate what are 500,000 settlors who lived in east jerusalem and the occupied west bank. this is coming from the united nation which in the reality is -- this is a landmark moments certainly not just for the united nation which rarely agrees on anything that the palestinians and israelis are related. >> this is also a landmark moment for the obama administration, and their policy towards settlements. the obama administration has viewed settlements as a major to impediment to peace and to the israeli and palestinians. there was some question as to whether or not late today that would still happen.
again, the u.s. obtaining from this, this was an egyptian proposal that they put forward. yesterday, they took that proposal off the table and many people thinking because of that tweet from donald trump, we are standing by to hear it. likely, he will have something to say today. >> cal, we'll stay on top of it. coming up in the case, donald trump signaling a big trip ahead of u.s. policy nuclear weapons. he did it on twitter and he challenging the position of president obama who still got four weeks in office and breaking news, videos showing the berlin attack suspect pledging allegiance to isis. that comes hours after the man was shot and killed in italy.
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that took place in the west bank. lets listen. >> also, in 2016, one need only look at the 18 resolutions against israel adopted during the un general assembly in september or the 12th adopted this year of human rights, more is focused on syria, north korea and south sudan put together. to see that in 2016, israel, continues to be treated differently from other members states. like u.s. administration before it, the obama administration working tire lessly and simply to be treated from other countries. and something no other un members state have been denied. to getting young to poor to
recognize as a un holiday to pressing this council to vote its silence in response to terrorist attacks on israelis. as the united states has said repeatedly such unequal treatment, not only hurts israel, it under mines the legitimacy of the united nation itself. the treatment at the un matters for votes like this one. even the proposed of today is justified or necessitated by events on the ground. one cannot completely separate the vote from the venue. and members states that they are for the two state solutions must ask themselves some difficult questions. for those states that are quick to promote resolution condemning israel but refuse to recognize innocent israelis of innocence.
for those states denounced the closure of crossings but saying nothing of resources diverted from helping gaza's residence to dig into israelis territories. what will you do to end the double standard that under mines the legitimacy of this institution? members should ask themselves of the double standard when it comes to this council taking action. just this morning, we came together as a council and we. >> reporter: -- we were unable to muscle the will. that the un has said to lead to genocide. we could not come together just to stem the flow of arms. earlier this month, this council could not muscle the will to adopt the resolution of calli
calling -- and of bombings of schools and aleppo. when the resolution of israel comes before this assembly members summoned of the will to act. because there are important issues that are not sufficiently addressed in this resolution and because the united states does not agree with every word in this text that the united states did not vote in favor of the resolution. it is because this resolution reflects the facts on the ground and is consistent of u.s. policy across republicans and democrats administration throughout the history of the state of israel that the united states did not veto it. the united states have consistently said we would block any resolutions or seek to impose a resolution to the conflict. we would not have led this resolution had it not also address counter productive
actions boo the palestinian such as terrorism which we condemned and raise with the palestinian leadership and must be stopped. >> samantha powell explaining why the united states on stabst for this vote and at the same time did not veto the resolution. i am joined now by jonathan arthur and patterson at lee high university. gentlemen, to both of you, welcome. james, listening to samantha does not sound like somebody speaking on behalf of a country that obstain from the vote. she sounds very much she wishes
to vote against that resolution. >> well, i think the abstinence here is a powerful departure from the u.s. has been on this. the un resolution is going to go down as a historic diplomatic moment. as you know, ali, this is a complicated issue. this whole phrase that ambassador powell is using where the obama administration sort of draw the line here. the u.s. could intervene and veto this entire piece of resolution but decided not to do that and in so doing did condemn the sort of sprawling and settlements that we see over there in israel. it is a complicated piece. i am going to defer to john hall and getting insights from where we go from here.
it is a departure from where the job has been. >> jonathan, that was remarkably interesting. she argued the case of israelis always arguing with the united states and the whole operation is prejudice against thed again. she argued the case where these people could not get together to condemn and bashar al-assad and a lot of things that's going on in the world and she was not allowed to and we are not sure she is not allowed to veto this thing. >> she's laying down a tough message to cover a retreat, essentially a retreat from what had been for many years, u.s. policy, which was to veto this kind of resolutions. barack obama is leaving office and laying down a marker --
>> that's the importance of the marker? >> israelis think that the united nation is unfriendly ground and they are there and continue to participate. i think it reflects the fact that the united states has been upset by the settlements over the years. obama are free from any elected presence. >> lets listen to more and we'll get your comments. >> it will permanently destroy the hope of the two-state solutions. the united states is not taking or taken the steps of voting in support of this resolution because the resolution is too narrowly focused onset settleme when many factors contribute to this conflict. let it be clear.
peace still would not be obtainable without both sides acknowledging uncomfortable truth and making difficult choices. yet it is one that's too often over looked by members of the united nations or members of this council. for palestinian leaders that means recognizing the obvious and in addition to taking innocent lives and terrorists and the growth of extremism erode prospect for peace. this resolution makes crystal clear of the most recent violent seeing terrorists committing hundreds of attack and stabbing mothers in front of their children and driving cars into crowds. and certain members have held up the terrorist as heroes and use social media to insight others to follow in their murderous food steps. while the president made it clear -- they have too often
failed to condemn specific attacks or condemn the praise heaped on the perpetrators. our vote today does not mean any way to diminish the united states steadfast and unparall unparallel -- the only democracy in the middle east. we would not have let this resolution passed had it not also address countdowner productive actions by the palestinia palestinians. we have to recognize israel is facing a threat in the neighborhood. president obama and this administration have shown an unprecedented commitment to israel security because that's what we believe in. our commitment to that security has never waivered and it never will. even with the financial crisis and budget deficit, we increase funding to support israel mi
military. the largest single pledge of military assistance to u.s. history in other countries. samantha at the united nation zidisin discussing the u states why -- why they are calling their dismantlement but at the same time did not veto the proposal that the u.s. would typically expected to do and was expected to do. i want to go back to james peterson at lee high university. you put the question forward, where does the u.s. go from here? this is interesting, they are laying down a marker and this continues the speech by samantha powell continues to find like a defensive israel.
>> because politically, i think that's where they have to be, right? at least that's where the u.s. has been since the finding of israel. this is really complicated. samantha just mentioned the $38 billion. that's a very important piece of what they want to under score here as they are departing from past parties. she made a mistake referring it as a vote. this is the united states obstaining from the voting process. there are some complicated things that emerges. it is also trying to balance out this pro-israel stance that the united states has been in for a long time and start to think of the human right issues and perpetrated by the israelis
government. and a very nuance position for the united states to take by making -- >> doing one thing and say another. >> and from the beginning reaction quickly from senior u.s. elected officials, tom cotton, has come in with this comment from arkansas. he said president obama is personal responsible for this anti-israel resolution. his diplomat coordinate the vote, yet, he does not have the courage of his own conviction to vote for it. this cowardly disgraceful action. it is the most anti-israel president. she was clearly outlining the reasons which that. it is something that republicans want to label president obama wi with. it is just apparently not true. >> there is more aids under president obama than any other presidents. he stood up for is - israel when
it was attacked. and they now cannot do anything for at least the ten years. what senator cotton said is not accurate. it is fair to say that this is a change in administration policy at the 11th hour. it is interesting that it is an obstention. it became an issue of the presidential campaign, 2008. it is a form of ducking. not really taking responsibility for coming out on one side of the other. that's is symbolic of thi
presidential retreating from the region. he wants to pivot to asia and not have the united states b bogging down. this is a reflect -- it all change with trump come in. >> lets go to hugh hewitt. jonathan is pointing out, it is definitely not keeping with u.s. policy after the united nation to not veto something like that. senator tom cotton comments here is a very popular republican line, and again, it is not true. barack obama and benjamin netanyahu don't like each other, the relationships between the u.s. and israel is not weaken. >> i have to disadprgree with y. i believe this is -- >> by what measure? >> by not vetoing this which
would have been vetoed by a any -- >> this makes him the most anti-israel president in years? >> if i can finish? >> you said he has been. what made him the most anti-israel president? >> a, his refusal to listen to benjamin netanyahu of the eye an deal is signed. i agree with senator schumer and it is not just tom cotton. chuck schumer, i would like those 25 democrats on the ballot and 2018 to come out and defend and of our allies today. >> senator, let me ask you this, samantha powell, the un ambassador really outlined where the united states supports israel and of the security council does not tend to be fair
towards israel. she outlined that and i don't know how much you have to hear. she said it, the un security council won't criticize syria or do all sorts of things that they would do. it seems like a fairly balanced explanation of what's going on. >> ali, for this add minute minute -- president obama declared a red line in syria but he did nothing when bashar al-assad used mechanical weapons. he acted not to stop them. >> right -- this is not an all out indictment. the weapon sales to israel that are funded by and provided by the united states don't happen by the president's approval in the united states. >> he lack >> objectively, ali, no one has
ever vetoed or staying on a situation like this. i would ask jonathan to come up with a situation where anti-israel and un security council resolutions have not been vetoed. when does that ever have happened before? >> just because this president and samantha powell are standing by when the un gained up on israel. it is outrageous. >> you are right, hugh, this kind of resolution has not been approved. they vetoed all the resolutions in the past. this particular resolution is consistent of what has been u.s. policy all along. so to define it as an anti-israel -- what israel agreed to consistently that there would be movement towards
a two state solution and that movement cno come with resolutions of the settlement issues. i think you are onto something very important hugh, is looking ahead, when you are talking about united states threatening to cut-off aids to the united nation. we have a confrontation to the united states and united nations when donald trump becomes president. that's clear. we are going to be talking about a struggle between the united nation and the united states for the next four years. it is going get very ugly. >> guys, thank you very much for your analysis. hugh, it is always good to see you, james peterson, i appreciate your analysis here. >> the problems don't end. we are talking next about our complicated relationships are russia and new criticisms of the u.s. democrats. it is a message similar to what the trump's team had been saying. that story and more when we come
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u.s. elections. a he said, and this is a translation, she says if someon accelerate and speeds up the arm's race, it is not us. >> joining me now is our cyber security expert. michael, it is good to see you and evidence mounts that russia hacked the u.s. election, president vladimir putin is shifting that off and shifting the blame on democratic losers. >> listen to what he says. >> what is the main thing there? some hackers? males or the democratic party leadership? as what was said by the president-elect trump, no one knows these hackers and their
origins. maybe someone lying on the sofa? >> someone lying on the sofa, you remember president-elect trump says tait was a 400 pound guy lying in his bedroom. >> well, someone is lying. he's got this big broadcaass bad he's able to lie with the media. i like that quote you had from earlier. he says every time someone loses, they blame the external party. you have huge problems domestically and lets blame the o outsiders and blaming america in the west. >> i remind people that the russian economy is about the size of austria. it is not a world's super power economically. it is an estate of collapse.
2015, gdp of russia was $1.3 trillion. >> can you imagine a 34% collapse of the gdp of your country? and went from $100.10 point. >> it is kind of actually true. >> last week, last week in the city of recruits which is in this great horrible place of siberia, 74 people died of toxic shocks and poisoning. instead of being able to afford alcohol or vodka, they turned to a bath location, bath location that's 25% alcoholic content and this is what's happening in russia on the streets. putin is micro managing and interferencing with other elections. i feel like we should be doing this interview. here is a guy that's definitely
blaming everyone but himself. his country is in the state of collapse and the gop per capita is gone from $14,000 to $9,000 compares that to the american people which is $50,000. this is a country that's on the brink of total social disorders and he has to do what he can to keep the focus on obama. >> he's doing well and donald trump is helping him. >> all right, michael, good to see you always. >> we are going to be right back after this break. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them.